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		<title>By: Steven Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.vanseodesign.com/seo/should-seo-be-regulated/comment-page-1/#comment-1091</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 05:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not necessarily sure your idea of seo is outdated. If you ask 100 SEOs what they do and what they consider seo to be you&#039;ll probably get close to 100 different answers. There are some who prefer to spend more time on the scientific side of things, analyzing every piece of data they can get their hands on and trying to reverse engineer things. They&#039;ll test and test and test.

Some people take a more creative approach. The best way to build links now is creating linkbait. You have to be creative to come up with a good linkbait idea and creative in writing or designing or programming to pull it off successfully.

SEO is technically a subset of search engine marketing (sem) which is a subset of marketing in general. Someone who is good at seo knows that understanding and working on the big picture pays the most dividends. The best SEOs are practicing beyond what might be technically considered seo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not necessarily sure your idea of seo is outdated. If you ask 100 SEOs what they do and what they consider seo to be you&#8217;ll probably get close to 100 different answers. There are some who prefer to spend more time on the scientific side of things, analyzing every piece of data they can get their hands on and trying to reverse engineer things. They&#8217;ll test and test and test.</p>
<p>Some people take a more creative approach. The best way to build links now is creating linkbait. You have to be creative to come up with a good linkbait idea and creative in writing or designing or programming to pull it off successfully.</p>
<p>SEO is technically a subset of search engine marketing (sem) which is a subset of marketing in general. Someone who is good at seo knows that understanding and working on the big picture pays the most dividends. The best SEOs are practicing beyond what might be technically considered seo.</p>
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		<title>By: Forrest</title>
		<link>http://www.vanseodesign.com/seo/should-seo-be-regulated/comment-page-1/#comment-1092</link>
		<dc:creator>Forrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Sep 2007 04:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I have a pretty strict idea of what SEO is ... maybe an outdated one.

There&#039;s no doubt it takes creative genius to market something well.  Or that it&#039;s a skill many of us are lucky enough to possess.  Marketing is inherently social;  even if it&#039;s disconnected it&#039;s about communicating directly to people.

SEO, to me at least, is a more narrow thing.  When I ran my site under the &quot;Valhalla Photos&quot; name I didn&#039;t know a thing about search engines, except that I&#039;m glad I didn&#039;t pay attention when they taught us the Dewey Decimal System.  I wish I were able to measure the difference, but now that I&#039;ve learned how to write for search engines, and more importantly how to balance between humans and bots, I&#039;m sure there&#039;s some improvement in my traffic.  Actually it&#039;s about triple today, but I have more photos, and there are sites like Stumble Upon and Delicious sending me traffic that didn&#039;t exist a few years ago.

I haven&#039;t changed my overall marketing that much, though ... I&#039;m not skilled or knowledgeable enough to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I have a pretty strict idea of what SEO is &#8230; maybe an outdated one.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no doubt it takes creative genius to market something well.  Or that it&#8217;s a skill many of us are lucky enough to possess.  Marketing is inherently social;  even if it&#8217;s disconnected it&#8217;s about communicating directly to people.</p>
<p>SEO, to me at least, is a more narrow thing.  When I ran my site under the &#8220;Valhalla Photos&#8221; name I didn&#8217;t know a thing about search engines, except that I&#8217;m glad I didn&#8217;t pay attention when they taught us the Dewey Decimal System.  I wish I were able to measure the difference, but now that I&#8217;ve learned how to write for search engines, and more importantly how to balance between humans and bots, I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s some improvement in my traffic.  Actually it&#8217;s about triple today, but I have more photos, and there are sites like Stumble Upon and Delicious sending me traffic that didn&#8217;t exist a few years ago.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t changed my overall marketing that much, though &#8230; I&#8217;m not skilled or knowledgeable enough to.</p>
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		<title>By: Web Design Wexford</title>
		<link>http://www.vanseodesign.com/seo/should-seo-be-regulated/comment-page-1/#comment-1087</link>
		<dc:creator>Web Design Wexford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 20:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Search engine positioning, optimization, and increased website traffic are critical elements of a successful Internet business solution. High visibility of your website can make the difference between driving a high volume of sales leads and targeted traffic to your company’s website or being lost in &quot;cyber space.&quot;

With the burgeoning popularity of the internet, new developmental tools are created daily. With these tools come new challenges, marketing, design, cross-browser transitions, etc. All of these can be a daunting task for those web gurus who aren&#039;t well-versed in the W3 Standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Search engine positioning, optimization, and increased website traffic are critical elements of a successful Internet business solution. High visibility of your website can make the difference between driving a high volume of sales leads and targeted traffic to your company’s website or being lost in &#8220;cyber space.&#8221;</p>
<p>With the burgeoning popularity of the internet, new developmental tools are created daily. With these tools come new challenges, marketing, design, cross-browser transitions, etc. All of these can be a daunting task for those web gurus who aren&#8217;t well-versed in the W3 Standards.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Bradley</title>
		<link>http://www.vanseodesign.com/seo/should-seo-be-regulated/comment-page-1/#comment-1093</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 05:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yuri I agree. The market will sort it all out and let&#039;s face it there are snake oil peddlers in every industry. People will always be looking for cheap seo work and because of that there will be people there to give it to them. But that&#039;s better than having search engines come in and tell us what to do.

Michael I never did see Brazil, but I know the basics of the plot and I can understand why this debate would remind you of the renegade plumbers. Your quote about the accountant was great. I was trying to think of something exactly like that all weekend in preparation for this post, but you said it better than anything that was going through my head. Thanks too for dropping by.

Forrest that&#039;s interesting that you bring up photography as a comparison. My thought is that all industries get their share of spam and I&#039;d bet that the percentage is pretty similar across industries. One thing about seo though is there&#039;s quite a lot of art involved. It depends a little on the SEO. I find the scientific part tiring at times and much of what I&#039;ll do comes from observation instead of any rigorous testing. There&#039;s also a lot of creativity in coming up with a strategy or developing content. Different sites require different seo.

I don&#039;t think you&#039;re doing anything unethical by helping people set up WordPress. All you did was help someone and you did it well enough that you were recommended to more people. As long as you&#039;re not promising something you can&#039;t deliver what&#039;s the problem.

Is a $100 Spiderman action figure really useless? It isn&#039;t to the person who&#039;s willing to pay that much. In the end things are worth whatever someone will pay.

I think there are lines that can be crossed. but the reason comment spam exists is because there are a lot of people who let it get posted and once posted people click on the links and buy something. You get comment spam because for some it works to rbing a positive ROI. If it stopped working you&#039;d stop seeing it. Get yourself a good spam blocker like Akismet or Spam Karma 2. Either will solve most of your spam problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yuri I agree. The market will sort it all out and let&#8217;s face it there are snake oil peddlers in every industry. People will always be looking for cheap seo work and because of that there will be people there to give it to them. But that&#8217;s better than having search engines come in and tell us what to do.</p>
<p>Michael I never did see Brazil, but I know the basics of the plot and I can understand why this debate would remind you of the renegade plumbers. Your quote about the accountant was great. I was trying to think of something exactly like that all weekend in preparation for this post, but you said it better than anything that was going through my head. Thanks too for dropping by.</p>
<p>Forrest that&#8217;s interesting that you bring up photography as a comparison. My thought is that all industries get their share of spam and I&#8217;d bet that the percentage is pretty similar across industries. One thing about seo though is there&#8217;s quite a lot of art involved. It depends a little on the SEO. I find the scientific part tiring at times and much of what I&#8217;ll do comes from observation instead of any rigorous testing. There&#8217;s also a lot of creativity in coming up with a strategy or developing content. Different sites require different seo.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re doing anything unethical by helping people set up WordPress. All you did was help someone and you did it well enough that you were recommended to more people. As long as you&#8217;re not promising something you can&#8217;t deliver what&#8217;s the problem.</p>
<p>Is a $100 Spiderman action figure really useless? It isn&#8217;t to the person who&#8217;s willing to pay that much. In the end things are worth whatever someone will pay.</p>
<p>I think there are lines that can be crossed. but the reason comment spam exists is because there are a lot of people who let it get posted and once posted people click on the links and buy something. You get comment spam because for some it works to rbing a positive ROI. If it stopped working you&#8217;d stop seeing it. Get yourself a good spam blocker like Akismet or Spam Karma 2. Either will solve most of your spam problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Forrest</title>
		<link>http://www.vanseodesign.com/seo/should-seo-be-regulated/comment-page-1/#comment-1088</link>
		<dc:creator>Forrest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 03:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The photography industry is facing a similar problem.  We&#039;re not seen as used car salesmen, but people who&#039;ve been wedding photogs for 30 years are fuming that new people are buying cameras, and offering bargain basement prices without much or any training or education.  It&#039;s not a perfect analogy, because SEO is a science, while photography is half art and half science ... and the cameras are getting better at automating the non-art side.  Some of the &quot;newbies&quot; actually do compete on quality.  Your industry is more formulaic;  there&#039;s creativity involved, but there&#039;s a clearly defined set of what works and what doesn&#039;t.  But what strikes me about the comparison is that you mentioned &quot;FUD&quot; and the old guard loves to warn that an amateur photographer &quot;will ruin the most important day of your life&quot; with no recourse or do-overs.

You mentioned writing book reviews;  you should read Will, by G Gordon Liddy.  There&#039;s a part in the book where the man discusses laws and ethics, and points out that there&#039;s nothing inherently immoral about driving past a red, eight-sided road sign with the word &quot;STOP&quot; printed on it.  But there &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; something very immoral with risking someone else&#039;s life or safety for no good reason.  The man having spent time prosecuting people as high-profile as Tim Leary, and then spending a few years in prison for Watergate has an unusual perspective on law and morality.

I&#039;m mentioning this because you raise some good questions.  I&#039;m not sure if I&#039;d necessarily blame the get-rich-quick sites for hiring the $9 a month SEO;  a lot of people really have no idea.  I landed half a dozen clients who need web sites, all in their 60s, who&#039;ve been avoiding the subject because they thought they would be nickeled-and-dimed for the price of a car.  I quoted one of them less than my cheapest lens cost to set them up a WordPress site, showed them how easy my blog is to use, and word of mouth spread like wildfire.  When I get run over by that proverbial bus, these are the type of people who might be talked into useless SEO work, and not understand enough about the internet to figure out where they went wrong.

It&#039;s not always a generational thing;  there are 20 year olds who don&#039;t know enough to do their due diligence before hiring the wrong company.  I&#039;d guess most people really should know better, though.  I can&#039;t be the only person who decided I should have a web site, and learned what I needed to do to make that happen...

So on a final note, I&#039;m really not sure at what point it goes from &quot;I&#039;ll sell you a useless Spiderman action figure for $100&quot; to something truly unethical that might need regulation?  I&#039;m tempted to say it&#039;s when an MFA or otherwise lousy site pushes mine down a notch, but there&#039;s a bit of self interest there ... you have a point that that&#039;s just competition.  I think there&#039;s some level that can be crossed when one company&#039;s actions have a negative enough impact on others, even on people they aren&#039;t competing against, that it certainly becomes immoral - comment spam on blogs, for example.  Exactly where that point is, though, is a difficult question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The photography industry is facing a similar problem.  We&#8217;re not seen as used car salesmen, but people who&#8217;ve been wedding photogs for 30 years are fuming that new people are buying cameras, and offering bargain basement prices without much or any training or education.  It&#8217;s not a perfect analogy, because SEO is a science, while photography is half art and half science &#8230; and the cameras are getting better at automating the non-art side.  Some of the &#8220;newbies&#8221; actually do compete on quality.  Your industry is more formulaic;  there&#8217;s creativity involved, but there&#8217;s a clearly defined set of what works and what doesn&#8217;t.  But what strikes me about the comparison is that you mentioned &#8220;FUD&#8221; and the old guard loves to warn that an amateur photographer &#8220;will ruin the most important day of your life&#8221; with no recourse or do-overs.</p>
<p>You mentioned writing book reviews;  you should read Will, by G Gordon Liddy.  There&#8217;s a part in the book where the man discusses laws and ethics, and points out that there&#8217;s nothing inherently immoral about driving past a red, eight-sided road sign with the word &#8220;STOP&#8221; printed on it.  But there <i>is</i> something very immoral with risking someone else&#8217;s life or safety for no good reason.  The man having spent time prosecuting people as high-profile as Tim Leary, and then spending a few years in prison for Watergate has an unusual perspective on law and morality.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m mentioning this because you raise some good questions.  I&#8217;m not sure if I&#8217;d necessarily blame the get-rich-quick sites for hiring the $9 a month SEO;  a lot of people really have no idea.  I landed half a dozen clients who need web sites, all in their 60s, who&#8217;ve been avoiding the subject because they thought they would be nickeled-and-dimed for the price of a car.  I quoted one of them less than my cheapest lens cost to set them up a WordPress site, showed them how easy my blog is to use, and word of mouth spread like wildfire.  When I get run over by that proverbial bus, these are the type of people who might be talked into useless SEO work, and not understand enough about the internet to figure out where they went wrong.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not always a generational thing;  there are 20 year olds who don&#8217;t know enough to do their due diligence before hiring the wrong company.  I&#8217;d guess most people really should know better, though.  I can&#8217;t be the only person who decided I should have a web site, and learned what I needed to do to make that happen&#8230;</p>
<p>So on a final note, I&#8217;m really not sure at what point it goes from &#8220;I&#8217;ll sell you a useless Spiderman action figure for $100&#8243; to something truly unethical that might need regulation?  I&#8217;m tempted to say it&#8217;s when an MFA or otherwise lousy site pushes mine down a notch, but there&#8217;s a bit of self interest there &#8230; you have a point that that&#8217;s just competition.  I think there&#8217;s some level that can be crossed when one company&#8217;s actions have a negative enough impact on others, even on people they aren&#8217;t competing against, that it certainly becomes immoral &#8211; comment spam on blogs, for example.  Exactly where that point is, though, is a difficult question.</p>
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		<title>By: graywolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>graywolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everytime I hear the SEO certified or regulated conversation, I flashback to the movie Brazil where there were renegade plumbers</description>
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		<title>By: Yuri</title>
		<link>http://www.vanseodesign.com/seo/should-seo-be-regulated/comment-page-1/#comment-1089</link>
		<dc:creator>Yuri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if we only take into account the recent debate on paid links and Matt&#039;s replies at SES (when pressed, he said nofollow is only a recommendation for web masters, not commenting on why there&#039;s so much pressure to put it on, though). I wouldn&#039;t trust my site or the Internet with Google, really. Not when the money rule there, not Sergey or Larry.

I think the market itself will sieve through good and bad SEOs. Good SEOs will always deliver results, create happy clients and their customers. As the end people won&#039;t use or fall to spammy sites that bad SEOs produce, bad SEOs will either have to learn how to do things right or get new jobs.

I have already seen SEO clients that have tried inefficient SEOs, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.improvetheweb.com/seo-and-ethics-why-seos-are-not-scam&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;know what to ask for&lt;/a&gt; and are looking for good SEOs. A good sign is that a client isn&#039;t looking for a cheap $9/mo hire, but for a solid, trusted person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if we only take into account the recent debate on paid links and Matt&#8217;s replies at SES (when pressed, he said nofollow is only a recommendation for web masters, not commenting on why there&#8217;s so much pressure to put it on, though). I wouldn&#8217;t trust my site or the Internet with Google, really. Not when the money rule there, not Sergey or Larry.</p>
<p>I think the market itself will sieve through good and bad SEOs. Good SEOs will always deliver results, create happy clients and their customers. As the end people won&#8217;t use or fall to spammy sites that bad SEOs produce, bad SEOs will either have to learn how to do things right or get new jobs.</p>
<p>I have already seen SEO clients that have tried inefficient SEOs, <a href="http://www.improvetheweb.com/seo-and-ethics-why-seos-are-not-scam" rel="nofollow">know what to ask for</a> and are looking for good SEOs. A good sign is that a client isn&#8217;t looking for a cheap $9/mo hire, but for a solid, trusted person.</p>
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